From: Andrew Dunbar (email@example.com)
Date: Sat Sep 14 2002 - 00:13:45 EDT
--- Raphael Finkel <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> I just got today's CVS version and compiled on Linux
> against gtk-2.0, glib-2.0,
> --enable-xft. I am using Abiword for Yiddish texts.
> 1. Apparently I no longer need to have a
> fonts/utf-8 directory, even though I set my language
> variable to he_IL.utf-8. (good; building such a
> directory is a true nuisance)
This is what Xft/fontconfig are supposed to make
easier. Glad to see it really helps.
> 2. As soon as I click on the Font menu (where it
> starts with Times New Roman) I get an abort (not
> good). Luckily, I can use the ^D menu without
> problems (good).
Definitely file a bug report for this. The more
detail the better. Since you're building ABiWord
yourself, you ought to build a debug version and
send us the debugging messages from prior to the
> 3. By renaming my dictionary to yiddish-yivo.hash
> (likewise for encoding), I get proper Yiddish spell
> checking, with underlining of badly spelled words
This makes me especially happy!
> 4. When I have an underlined word indicating bad
> spelling, right click brings up a menu with
> suggestions. All the suggestions are invisible. I
> can only figure out what they contain by trying them
> (not good).
Open a seperate bug report for this too and answer
these questions there:
Are the suggestions completely blank or are they
Are you running a UTF-8 locale? A Hebrew locale? An
My guess is that older GTK only used 8-bit encodings
for its GUI. The good part is that if your locale is
UTF-8, so will be the GUI encoding - so all languages
should "just work" in the GUI - font problems not-
If you're running a Hebrew locale, I would expect the
Hebrew letters to display and any special Yiddish
characters to display question marks.
A screenshot will help a lot. (In the bug report).
> 5. The text displays fine with Times New Roman and
> with Arial, except that combining characters not
> only modify the previous character (good) but leave
> an empty rectangle in the next space (not good).
File another seperate bug report for this one with
screenshot. Tomas is excellent Hebrew shaping so I'm
sure he can fix your Yiddish-specific shaping problems
> 6. The font-choice menu (^d) doesn't show a sample
> of text until I click on one of the suggested fonts,
> even though the intially selected font can display
> the text (not great). This display does not show
> combining codes combining with the previous letter
> (not good). Nor does it show the text in proper
> order (not good).
Again this sounds like a bug report and screenshot.
I suspect the bidi ordering problem may be due to not
having GTK2 support yet. GTK2 uses pango so it can
handle bidi even in GUI elements.
> 7. The spelling-correction box I get with F7 shows
> incorrectly spelled text in a different font (ok) in
> correct Bidi order (good) with combining marks
> properly combining (good) and with no empty
> rectangles after combining marks (good). Double-
> clicking on one of the suggestions does not have the
> effect of auto-invoking "change" (ok, but could be
Wow some of this is quite impressive. The
problem seems strange to me - that shouldn't care
the language and has always worked for me.
By the way, do you think the spelling suggestions
are good quality choices. I've been expecting UTF-8
ispell to make poor spelling suggestions but I'd be
very happy to be wrong.
> Typing in a replacement in the Change to: box does
> not auto-invoke "change" when I type the <cr> (ok,
> but could be improved). I can type in utf-8
> characters in the "Change to" box (using xmodmap to
> re-key my keyboard) (good), and the characters are
> properly displayed (good). But when I activate with
> "change", I discover that some characters are
> misunderstood, primarily (but not only) combining
> characters (not good); they are replaced by other
More bug reports with screenshots needed (:
The wrong-characters problem needs deeper
such as exactly which characters get replaced with
exactly which wrong characters? Are the errors
consistent every time or random?
> 8. I have started to build a yi.po file for
> Yiddish. I've done about 1/5 of
> the file. I'll provide it when I am done.
Can you please provide the Yiddish spelling hash?
It may be too large to mail to me or to the list but
if you can give us a URL to download it from I'll get
Looking forward to seeing this all working!
> Raphael Finkel
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