Re: User manual in German.

From: Marc Hoffmann <>
Date: Tue Apr 22 2008 - 17:42:18 CEST

Hello Alexander,

sorry, that it took some time to answer, but my Grandpa died a few weeks
ago and now we are
a little busy with all what is to do after such a sad happening...

Sure, it would be a nice idea to help you first with the English manual
that it gets ready, before I
will translate it to German language and I would be glad to be one of
the authors of the Abiword
User's Manual. so you could give me some keywords and headwords for
categories, that are
still missing and I could try to write an article for the manual about
it, with the help of the old and
the new unfinished manual
Mar already gave me the link to the SVN trunk of the new Manual and I've
had already take a look
at it....
AND THERE is my problem: it is written in the docbook.xml format... HTML
and maybe XML
too is not really a problem for me, but I'm using Windows XP
professional and have currently no
Unix or Linux based OS installed (I have plans to put a debian based
Linux, Solaris and maybe
FreeBSD or PCBSD on it, but it will take a while..)
I tried all, but I couldn't find any program for Windows that gives
support for docbook XML files
except OpenOffice - but I couldn't import the Abiword.xml file.
So I can only edit the text in the XML file without taking care of any
format tags or something else
cause I didn't want to learn the specifications and all the special tags
for the docbook format, cause
it is to rarely needed to have all this in mind ;)
Another possibility for me would be to edit the manual as plain text
only with leaving out all the
tags or converting it in standard HTML format (I've found a windows
command line tool and a
web-based tool for doing it - yeah ;))
Any other tips or suggestions? Or some ideas how to configure OpenOffice
to use it with the
Abiword User Manual? (I tried it with the portable Version - maybe this
was the mistake)
If there is no other way I maybe could use my favourite toy ;) the
KNOPPIX-DVD if the needed
packets for docbook are included there and boot my PC with it to edit
the manual,...

Anyway, I would be honoured to help with writing the new Abiword Users
Manual and translate
it to German afterwards.

Regards Marc

P.S.: I've read somewhere on the Abiword site about the Abiword-IRC
channel - do you use
it sometimes? so we maybe can discuss it in a chat,...

Alexander van Loon wrote:
> I completely agree with Marc, translating to German wouldn't be a good
> idea because the (new) English documentation is currently unfinished. I
> could use some help with writing the English documentation, because I,
> Marc, and John don't have much free time available to work on it. We've
> come a long way already with the new documentation, if you want to help
> I can e-mail you instructions on how you can get the documentation from
> SVN and how to work on it.
> On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 17:52 +0200, J.M. Maurer wrote:
>>> what is about translating the User Manual in german,...
>>> Is it wanted, is it needed and if the answer to both is yes, where can
>>> i get
>>> an actual Version of the original English Manual to start with?
>> Any help with the documentation is always wanted ofcourse :)
>>> You said the work on the new and actual Version of the Users Manual is
>>> still in progress: are there so big changes to the User's manual currently
>>> on the website? or is it only rewritten, corrected and details to new
>>> features
>>> added?
>> It is rewritten from scratch. It has nothing to do with what is
>> currently on our webpages.
>>> So a translation of the manual currently on the site would be worth it
>>> to havea base for a german User manual, that could be changed and corrected,
>>> if the new Version is ready, so a part of the work is done with the old
>>> manual and the last part will be done with help of the new...
>> More likely all your work done on the current manual will have to be
>> deleted when the new one is done.
>> I think the best course of action would be to fill in the gaps in the
>> new English documentation, and then translate it on the fly to German as
>> well.
>> I have no clue about the current state of the new documentation, but
>> Alexander van Loon <> does. He started the new
>> documentation. I've CC-ed him.
>>> Regards Marc (we're namesakes, funny, isn't it? :D)
>> Yay! :)
>> Marc
>>> J.M. Maurer wrote:
>>>> is an alias for and
>>>> I just saw your messages there in my inbox (I'm too
>>>> flooded with spam to notice it all :).
>>>> You got the message because hub doesn't seem to clear it's inbox, so he
>>>> did NOT get your message. I did.
>>>> Marc
>>>> On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 16:14 +0200, Marc Hoffmann wrote:
>>>>> if it is reachable, why i got an email with the subject:
>>>>> Undelivered mail returned to sender
>>>>> and this error message in the message body:
>>>>> ________________________________________________________________________________
>>>>> This is the mail system at host
>>>>> I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
>>>>> be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.
>>>>> For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster.
>>>>> If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
>>>>> delete your own text from the attached returned message.
>>>>> The mail system
>>>>> <> (expanded from <>): cannot
>>>>> update mailbox /var/mail/hub for user hub. error writing message: File too
>>>>> large
>>>>> ________________________________________________________________________________
>>>>> It maybe keep away spamers, but users with (silly) questions , too. Very
>>>>> userfriendly:
>>>>> a user writes once to the webmaster, get the error message and will
>>>>> never write again
>>>>> and the webmaster will be left alone - yeah, nice plan :D
>>>>> I think the error message should be disabled - there are other ways to
>>>>> keep away
>>>>> spamers, such an error message helps only to keep away users and
>>>>> customers,...
>>>>> My opinion - you see, i believed it by myself, that the webmaster is
>>>>> unreachable
>>>>> The error message looks very authentic,...
>>>>> Anyway, in my eyes AbiWord is a very nice Program and Project, and i
>>>>> only wanted to
>>>>> give you my support, but i don't think that it is needed nor wanted.
>>>>> Regards Marc
>>>>> Hubert Figuiere wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 15:17 +0200, Marc Hoffmann wrote:
>>>>>>> BTW - the Webmasters email account is
>>>>>>> unreachable.
>>>>>> It works. it is just burried in spam so you will probably not get an
>>>>>> anwer anyway, but it is read.
>>>>>> Hub
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