Re: [Usability] [RFC] Proposed AbiWord preferences dialog mockup

From: John Levon (
Date: Tue Jun 03 2003 - 21:05:40 EDT

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    On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 04:36:00PM -0700, Dom Lachowicz wrote:

    > >
    > All I'll say about MPT is that he's
    > well-intentioned...

    I wish people would stop implying he invented all this stuff :)

    > save button (which you still have to do at some point
    > anyways if you want to persist your document).

    Why ? It's the computer's job to do that (or it should be).

    > also not clear to me that the desired behavior should
    > happen at the application level

    Certainly any implementation would be best done at a "system" level
    (inside the Gnome APIs somewhere).

    > Often, saving is fundamentally equivalent to putting a
    > "seal of approval" on a particular revision of the
    > document. Once you write a letter, it stays written,
    > right? Unless you cumple up the letter and toss it in
    > the garbage - the equivalent of hitting the 'X' button
    > on the window bar. Otherwise it was just 'scratch
    > paper.'

    And guess what - if I leave that scratch paper on my desk, it stays
    where it is when I leave the desk. It doesn't just vanish into the

    > Saving the file is fundamentally no different
    > than putting it inside of a file cabinet, folder,

    Correct. However, with most applications, when you *don't* save, you
    lose it. Your example above illustrates the difference quite clearly: I
    have to make a positive action to get rid of a document. Not saving is
    the absence of an operation, not an operation. I disagree strongly that
    closing the window is equivalent in most user's minds to shredding a

    > This is also the de-facto behavior for any similar
    > piece of software, such as MSWord or WordPerfect.
    > That's not to say that we can't strive to do better,
    > but it will be counter-intuitive and "non-obvious" to
    > a user of MSWord how to save a document in AbiWord.
    > This is a bad thing.

    It would be a bad thing if you were to remove the Save function. So
    don't do that.

    > Finally, this sort of behavior should be well defined
    > and implemented across the desktop (or better, OS and
    > across OSes) as a whole.

    Strongly agreed.


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